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    kevin mullins says (06 Aug '10)

    kid rock is the man as far as music but it seems like he is getting greedier the more money he makes. like putting lawsuites in against places playing his music and speaking out against downloading music for free {file sharing}. He appeals to the common folk and the common folk dont have the resources to buy all his music {for example older albums on rhoposdy} so he should get back to his roots before he loses his fanbase. don t be greedy. anytime you want 1on 1 in basketball bring it

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kevin mullins's picture
on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 3:04pm

kid rock is the man as far as music but it seems like he is getting greedier the more money he makes. like putting lawsuites in against places playing his music and speaking out against downloading music for free {file sharing}. He appeals to the common folk and the common folk dont have the resources to buy all his music {for example older albums on rhoposdy} so he should get back to his roots before he loses his fanbase. don t be greedy. anytime you want 1on 1 in basketball bring it

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Connie Jo_3's picture

Yeah, I know the artist doesn't get as much as what many assume. Yes, a successful artist becomes wealthy, but it's not solely on the music sales...also concert bookings, royalties on merchandise, possibly signing bonus', etc..

I don't know what he said regarding ITUNES, as I don't do ITUNES...unless you're talking about the video he did relating to stealing music, might as well steal everything else too, lol. I am familiar with his comments relating to wanting people to listen to an entire CD, of which much hard work goes into by the artists, producer's, musicians, & an entire crew in many aspects...rather than people listen to one hit off the CD, not giving the entire CD a listen, etc..

Like I said, it doesn't matter to me...I'm more than happy to pay for the music I benefit from in many ways. :)

kidrockangel's picture

I am gonna assume it was KR's decision just based on his comments regarding ITUNES. That he does not want some distribution company telling him what his product is worth. Rhapsody prolly gave him that option.

I also know he doesnt like the idea of just buying one or two songs. He wants peeps to listen to the comp[lete album...

I have no idea if this is true, I am assuming. Last I heard, the artist got like 3 cents per sale. Personally I think thats ridiculous.

Connie Jo_3's picture

How do you know Kid Rock himself is charging you a fee? Did you consider the possibility his record label is requesting the charge? Many fans simply do not comprehend how the music industry functions...automatically assume everything is controlled by the artist when that is not factual.

This is how it use to work in the music industry, I assume it still does...a recording artist typically only receives a percentage of their recorded music sales from the record company their recording contract is with. The percentage is negotiated between the artist & their record company prior to signing & legally binding contracts. The more successful an artist becomes, the more negotiating power they will acquire as to how much this percentage is. A new artist will receive the minimum percentage until they establish themselves as being profitable to the record company, and if proven to be profitable, the contracts can then be re-negotiated upon extension of the contract.

The record company is usually the one who determine's what is charged for the music, not the artist, although the artist may have the respectful right to offer input, but the final decision is usually that of the record company. The record company typically is responsible for all the expenses related to promoting and selling the music as well...and they own selling rights to the music. There can be pre-negotiated stipulations pertaining to the artist retaining some ownership rights, it varies. Bascially, that is what a recording contract is...the artist is selling the record company the rights to sell their music and profit from it...in return the artist is given royalities/percentages of the sales. The record company is Kid Rock's employer...not the other way around. :)

Chris_159's picture

Kid rock has every right to rnjoy the money he has made.He started from nothing and made himself into wjay he has tpday. ;et him do as he wishes!! He rocks, does alot for the city of Detroit which he never gets thanked for. This place is in need of an angle and we hve reason to bekieve Kid can revive us

kevin mullins's picture

whatever all i am saying is after paying the membership fee....why does kid and very few selected artists make you pay even more. 99% of the artist on rhapsody do not make you pay the additional fee. explain that.

Connie Jo_3's picture

In addition to what RocksJerserygirl stated, of which I agree with...if one can afford to own a PC & pay an internet service provider...has the time to search for and listen to the music...can't imagine their not being able to afford to pay compensation due for such. Seriously...if you enjoy a movie on TV or at the theatre...it's not free, you pay for your entertainment enjoyment in most all aspects of the arts. Hell, TV isn't even free with analog no longer existing...you're even paying to watch the advertisements to sell you stuff, LOL...which for every minute of TV show there is an equal amount of advertisement air time. Now that is something that should be complained about...paying to watch sales pitch commercials, hahaha. :)

lorilslaven's picture

I'm very much against illegal downloading. If an artist creates great music that people love, he or she deserves to be compensated for it.It's a very simple concept.

I understand that times are tough and alot of people are struggling financially these days, but, what i find in my own personal expierence is that the people that are illegally downloading are not struggling financially at all. In fact, quite the contrary. Some of the people i know that are stealing music are the most financially stable of all. They drive fancy cars, and have beautiful shore homes.

You should check out Kid Rocks psa intitled "Steal Everything" It's on utube.

kidrockangel's picture

Considering that for years you couldnt legally download KR at all You should feel lucky he finally gave in and put some up on rhapsody...lol

You could get R N R Jesus for $10 bucks come on...... If you aint got 10 bucks for a CD then just listen to you tube I guess

Connie Jo_3's picture

I shall call you Kevin Mullins, because there is another member here who is well known by the name of Kevin, and I surely wouldn't want the two of you confused, haha. So, Kevin Mullins...either you get it or you don't, and it appears no explanation will sway you to get it. I have been a loyal supporting fan of Kid Rock & TBT for a decade now, since first hearing DWAC in 2000. Kid Rock & TBT's music is so deeply embedded in my bones, in so many ways, for so many reasons...I don't give a damn what I have to pay for it...it's priceless to me by comparison to what I'm given in return through the music of Kid & TBT. :)

Her Tinkness's picture

wah

kevin mullins's picture

i dont believe k.m. is talking about stealing or burning cd's. i also am a member of rhapsody and after paying membership fees you still have to pay for kidrocks music and you do not pay for the other artists music once the membership fee has been payed. K.R. and very few other artists make you pay extra to listen to his music. now explain that. sincerely, k.m. friend and believer. lol.

kevin mullins's picture

funny your nose up a fat hogs ass!!!! lol

Her Tinkness's picture

Lawsuites? thats funny

Connie Jo_3's picture

Everyone else has voiced opinions of which I agree with totally, so no need for me to repeat. However, I'll add this...I won't even burn a Kid Rock CD that can be purchased retail for a family member! Just ask one of them, haha. I tell them to go buy the CD just like I did! When a new CD comes out, I buy 3, won't even burn copies for myself. I buy one for my truck, one for my upstairs stereo, and the 3rd for my downstairs stereo. Why? Because as long as Kid Rock & TBT CD's keep selling...they keep making music, of which we all benefit from in too many ways to mention...including emotionally. IE: taking a drive in my truck bopping to the music naturally of Kid & TBT lifts my spirits when down, etc..

Futhermore...when the music isn't purchased legally, then the statistics related to an artist & their music's popularity is not accurate, nor fair. Many music awards, such as reaching Gold and Platinum status, are based upon retail sales records. As well, other recognition the artist has respectively earned & deserves. This aspect has nothing to do with 'GREED'...it has to do with SELF RESPECT...respecting oneself when their years of hard work, personal sacrifices...paying their dues, so to speak...brings one the recognition, credit, and success they deserve and are respectively entitled to.

Though I don't intend to sound harsh, rather blunt...quite honestly it also has to do with a fan having self respect...a thief is a thief, as someone else pointed out...doesn't matter if you steal something of $1.00 value or $100.00...stealing is stealing, and it affects us all in one way or another. As well, self respect with knowing you're supporting the artist and music you claim you're a fan of...if you don't support the artist by paying for their music...then there can be no music...the artist will lose their recording contract...the live shows also stop. Is it not in contradiction of being a fan if one is contributing to the downfall of an

AnnieBo's picture

I look at it this way. I don't see greed at all. When it comes to music, he has every right to protect himself, I can't blame him one bit there, it's business.

This man has donated so much money, probably more then any of us know. When this man hears a story of a girls golf team getting their stuff stolen, what did he do? He bought them new ones. There are many other things he's done with charities and so forth......music is business and you have to play the business game.

I mean I can give you examples of greed but then that would be taring down my job, cuz they've gone way too far, they donate just to show hey look we do help people, so they can look good, but what they do to the people working for them? Well that's another story.

Kid Rock gets involved cuz it's all in the heart, infact he is the #1 supporter of our troops when it comes to celebs in my opinion. If there isn't a USO tour, he pays his own way to play for those soldiers. Which I haven't seen a celeb do. So please tell me where the greed is there?

I'm not hammering you or anything, cuz I do know where you are coming from, I used to think the same things, but then started thinking about these other things. And we have to seperate business from other things.

Ty_Burt's picture

I like to get paid for the work I do, don't you? Also, when did Bobby say anything bad about streaming media? The last I saw, he was encouraging that we steal EVERYTHING! :)
Don't worry, though. His fan base is alive, HUGE and ready to rock this summer after his next album is released.

Action's picture

He's investing his money to protect the industry he dedicated his life too, the same one that made him a rich man. Theft is theft. To think you can take something from someone because theyhave lots of it, is just ubsurd.
My 5 year old daughter even knows that. He busted his balls to get where he is, and if he and other artists don't protect the industry it will collapse.

Star_4's picture

I for one have no problem supporting the music that I love so dearly. Kid gives back to his community and to national organizations. Your not only supporting his welfare but your donateing to good causes!!! Come on now!! Get a brain!!!

kidrockangel's picture

Kevin I think KRTBT fanbase is alive and well. Stop hanging out at the Bball court, Get a job and Buy some CDS lol

jade-FXD's picture

and furthermore, music (like movies, theater and other artistic forms), is to some extent a collaborative effort. Clearly KR is the driving force here, the star. But he's got a lot of people collaborating with him (writing, band) that are also involved and get royalties as well as studio production personnel and such. All these people also make a living off of KR music and should absolutely be compensated for their effort as well. This is not an issue of greed in any way shape or form. This is an issue of (simply) people, from KR down, getting compensated for all their hard work. Who would argue that it should be any other way?

jade-FXD's picture

I can't believe that anyone would have a problem with an artist protecting his/her intellectual property. It has nothing to do with greed. the music is what KR's job is and he has every right to be compensated for it. Anyone taking it for free is stealing.

And if KR was greedy, he wouldn't give so much of his time and money to charity causes, troops overseas, etc. There are a lot of greedy people in this world, and I don't know KR at all personally, but he sure doesn't come off as greedy to me.

.Ugly Nurse's picture

Im not sure how to post but i have to give it a shot after this guy and i can't Bite my tongue. That Kidrockangel put it the best way even the haters can understand.He has people paid to keep a eye on his money and if you were stealing from him you should be questioned.And Rock plays ball so You may be surprised.

Connie Jo_3's picture

I'm too brain tired to enter this discussion logically and fairly...~biting tongue~!

kidrockangel's picture

Ok so because you are successful at your job and make alot of money.... You should just start givin your product awaybecause some peeps cant afford it.

I DONT THINK SO.. That doesnt make him GREEDY... Giving his music away would make him STUPID>>>>>

kevin mullins's picture

i respect that up till the first few million dollars then what

Michele_74's picture

A artist has the right to protect himself and his music.So It might not be about greed.