Upcoming Presidential Debate on Oct.3rd

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    Upcoming Presidential Debate on Oct.3rd
    Outside The Box says (26 Sep '12)

    Ok, weird I don't see any threads/blogs in here in regards to Oct. 3rd and the presidential debate-pro's con's or what-ever for people to discuss. So I thought I would put my son's article from the newspaper today to give a bit of food for thought.
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    What we can learn from the debates

    By my son

    Coming up on Oct. 3, will be the presidential debate between President Barack Obama and presidential candidate Mitt Romney. This year is my second season of debate for my High School. As such, I will be taking a lot of what I have learned and what I compete with to analyze each speaker at the presidential debate.

    Before I even begin listening to the arguments themselves, I first will look at each speaker. I will look for various qualities of body language. Examples would be if they are confident and open to the public or the opposite. I will look for their eye contact as well as listen to their speech to determine their confidence as well as their emotions from their tone.

    After looking at these qualities, I will analyze their speeches as well as their answers to questions and issues. In debate we have what we call stock issues which determine who wins a round. The main ones that will apply to the presidential debate would be significance, how important the issue is; and solvency, if their plan will actually solve an issue.
    Another thing we look for in debate is their advantages, what good will come from their plan that isn’t part of the problem they are solving.

    In debate, one of the most important things, if not the most important thing, is evidence. Evidence shows reasons to support the plan and reasons to believe the plan will solve the problem. In debate, if you do not have evidence, you can’t compete very well. In the presidential debate, I will be looking to see what evidence each speaker will bring up to address issues and questions as well as to support their own plans should they be elected or re-elected.

    This presidential debate will be one of the most important debates to me personally, as it will affect me and my future as well as the fact that this will be the first presidential debate I get to watch after debating competitively. I strongly encourage others to watch the presidential debate. For those undecided, I encourage you to look for some of the similar things that I described above to help you determine which candidate to vote for.

    In closure, I will be watching this debate to learn a lot, and I regret the fact that I will not be able to vote because I am only 15 years of age. For those of you who can, I encourage you to vote as you can help change the future of America because your vote does matter.

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on Wed, 09/26/2012 - 9:23am

Ok, weird I don't see any threads/blogs in here in regards to Oct. 3rd and the presidential debate-pro's con's or what-ever for people to discuss. So I thought I would put my son's article from the newspaper today to give a bit of food for thought.
________________________________________________________________________

What we can learn from the debates

By my son

Coming up on Oct. 3, will be the presidential debate between President Barack Obama and presidential candidate Mitt Romney. This year is my second season of debate for my High School. As such, I will be taking a lot of what I have learned and what I compete with to analyze each speaker at the presidential debate.

Before I even begin listening to the arguments themselves, I first will look at each speaker. I will look for various qualities of body language. Examples would be if they are confident and open to the public or the opposite. I will look for their eye contact as well as listen to their speech to determine their confidence as well as their emotions from their tone.

After looking at these qualities, I will analyze their speeches as well as their answers to questions and issues. In debate we have what we call stock issues which determine who wins a round. The main ones that will apply to the presidential debate would be significance, how important the issue is; and solvency, if their plan will actually solve an issue.
Another thing we look for in debate is their advantages, what good will come from their plan that isn’t part of the problem they are solving.

In debate, one of the most important things, if not the most important thing, is evidence. Evidence shows reasons to support the plan and reasons to believe the plan will solve the problem. In debate, if you do not have evidence, you can’t compete very well. In the presidential debate, I will be looking to see what evidence each speaker will bring up to address issues and questions as well as to support their own plans should they be elected or re-elected.

This presidential debate will be one of the most important debates to me personally, as it will affect me and my future as well as the fact that this will be the first presidential debate I get to watch after debating competitively. I strongly encourage others to watch the presidential debate. For those undecided, I encourage you to look for some of the similar things that I described above to help you determine which candidate to vote for.

In closure, I will be watching this debate to learn a lot, and I regret the fact that I will not be able to vote because I am only 15 years of age. For those of you who can, I encourage you to vote as you can help change the future of America because your vote does matter.

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Mon, 10/22/2012 - 11:58pm — Outside The Box

All right here you all go!!! Very Exciting, so wish I and my son could go-how AWESOME is this....Kid Rock and...

http://redrocksrally.eventbrite.com/

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Mon, 10/22/2012 - 11:16pm — KRLO

Val, Can I buy you a Bad Ass beer. I totally agree. I just hope we don't have this um 'bump in the road' for another four years.

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Mon, 10/22/2012 - 11:05pm — bluesuedeshoe

I must agree, Val. Too too much Late nite.

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Mon, 10/22/2012 - 10:59pm — KRSVal

And I am SOOO happy that 'The Leader Of The Free World'( QUESTION MARK ???) finds it necessary in these last 2 weeks to once again hit the Late night and Talk show circuit--so becoming of the Office--NOT

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Mon, 10/22/2012 - 10:51pm — KRSVal

PS Andrea needs to retire and her economist hubby should know better

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Mon, 10/22/2012 - 10:49pm — KRSVal

Sorry--
-Prez does not understand bankruptcy and its role in reorganization of business (surprise! he has no business experience!)
-Small business in general? What is that (Obama scratches head)
-Education is the answer (says Obama)..how come greatest strides have been in states where he hasn't had an influence?)
-Israel-- an Obama ally? Since Sunday? LOLOLOL
Blah blah blah

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Mon, 10/22/2012 - 10:37pm — KRSVal

Mitt knocked it out of the park---Knew exactly what he was talking about--moderator Bob Schiefer MUCH better--very hopeful for a better future

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Mon, 10/22/2012 - 6:59am — Outside The Box

Last debate tonight-do not forget to watch and then to Vote Tuesday, Nov 6th.

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Tue, 10/16/2012 - 7:17pm — bluesuedeshoe

Also, I agree with Angel. Sucks that Gary Johnson, a legit contender, is denied participation in the debates.

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Tue, 10/16/2012 - 7:14pm — bluesuedeshoe

Outside, this kid is very observant. Wonder if he'll take PoliSci as a major in college? Also, I sure appreciate the tone of the responses. Compared to the stress here at the last Presidential election, this thread is fun!

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Thu, 10/18/2012 - 12:33am — Outside The Box

Blue, my son has a lot of things he wants to learn and do so which road I don't know as of right now, he is in 10th grade so we will see :) I too am happy for my son today as well, as he was picked to go to Political Rally with 1 other student who is a senior (they both belong to The Young Politicians Club) and will be working behind the scenes and see how things are done, it is very exciting for him!

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Tue, 10/16/2012 - 11:57am — rocksavedmysoul

gotta switch between that and the Tigers game. Go JV!

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Tue, 10/16/2012 - 11:48am — Outside The Box

Who's ready for the second debate tonight-should be interesting-any thoughts?

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Wed, 10/10/2012 - 12:34pm — Outside The Box

OMG-I love you Shirlee-My Kid is going to go crazy over this video-Thank You So Much!!! And out of the mouths of who this election will affect indeed-Thank you !!! My son will be so happy to see he is not the only one that there are others like him-Thank You so much!!! <3
God bless

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Wed, 10/10/2012 - 12:26pm — 1bbshirlee

http://youtu.be/vZeSWP3XSRQ
ENDOWED!
GOD BLESS AMERICA!

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Wed, 10/10/2012 - 9:58am — Outside The Box

I just left my son's new article in the discussions about the vice-presidents debate if interested. Have a good day to all.
God bless

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Sun, 10/07/2012 - 10:48pm — Outside The Box

Val-I know wasn't that hysterical-lol. My son just got done writing his article for this weeks paper on the art of debate and for the job of Vice president, importance, etc.. but I can't post it until it hits print so that'll be on Wednesday-too I just read Kid Rock is going to be introducing Paul Ryan tomorrow night in Michigan, should be interesting this week with the vice president debate-they only get one shot for their platform so it will be very interesting to watch to say the least.

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Sun, 10/07/2012 - 9:37pm — KRSVal

OTB, that was great!!! Love the laughs.
hey, and they mentioned Mitt as a 'Badass MF'er' lol
Y'all know Mitt's been my man from the beginning..
I'll accept it and move 'forward' if he doesn't win but GD if there isn't a change that needs to be made-Nuff said

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Sun, 10/07/2012 - 9:25pm — Outside The Box

You guys you have to go watch this spoof SNL did on the debate-too funny!!!!

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/debate-cold-open/1419927/

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Thu, 10/04/2012 - 10:42am — 1bbshirlee

Its the United States as it stands, that Matters to me

Stands,Stood,.past or present?
It all Matters

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Thu, 10/04/2012 - 9:45am — Outside The Box

Star-point taken, didn't mean to offend, just was talking in perspective view and opinion of mys and my sons to hear other points of view for my son and I too to learn from to in which you just gave-thank you
God bless

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Thu, 10/04/2012 - 9:24am — starschatter

I don't like to push my Presidental Choice on any one. With that said I Love the Forum but this is Kid Rock Forum and Politics no matter how nice or friendly it starts out, at times it can sway to a heated conversation. We as individuals make our OWN choices. I just don't feel this is the place to discuss politics. I don't wish to be taken wrong. Thanks for sharing your comments all who posted. I hope OUR FUTURE is a GOOD one in perspective and that who ever gets the Presidency keeps Our Nations Hopes Alive and we proper as a Nation. God Bless

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Thu, 10/04/2012 - 9:19am — Outside The Box

Post (2) he said Romney has his record to stand on as Governor which Obama never had or could show he could handle situations like that and decisions like they are at hand right now in America-so that was a true plus for Romney-also Romney never backed down and tried to make clear his answers that Pres. Obama kept trying to beat into the ground cause he had no backup-he said by far Romney won this debate on so many levels and especially throwing Clinton back but on the reverse which Pres. Obama could not respond on-the one or two areas he felt Romney messed up was the Big Bird comment-as that will be a focus now for comedy and media and not look at what he really was saying and too Romney needs to not close with so much about God a little bit is fine but-because everyone has their own way of viewing that it could be taken out of context anywhere.He really liked that Romney brought up and talked about staying true to our military and thus staying true to the people and just all in all and Pres. Obama never said anything of that sort about our military and I'm gonna run out of room. So my son said Romney won this round in his opinion and I agree.
So we wait until debate 2.

My son said the Vice president debate should be somewhat entertaining cause Biden is just Biden-he too said that he didn't like the twitter feeds at the bottom of watching the debate cause it took away from the debate and the respect of the debate cause people are just tweeting and that is not the point of the debate so they were making it into entertainment instead of a very serious debate-so he was not down with the media/news doing that at all. Also in closing he thought the host needed a cup of coffee and showed bias which was not right for a debate. Okay enough for now, I'm not good at typing this much at once so I'll be back later if you like with more and if not that's cool but sure would like to hear other's opinions too.

Val-thank you and I'll let my son know you liked his suggestions :

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Thu, 10/04/2012 - 9:24am — Outside The Box

(1) Well so this is a few things my son pointed out as I was watching intently -he said President Obama came walking out with a cocky swager to shake hands with Romney and he said Pres.Obama was slouching at the podium not standing up straight he too said Pres, Obama used the oldest trick in the book in debate by bringing up that it was his anniversary to the people to draw on that card to start and too that when he spoke how each and every day when he is in the Oval Office he thinks of we the people and my son laughed and said ok but what about on the golf courses and all the vacations (more than any president has ever done in a first term) does he still worry and think about us then too? Too he could never answer a question but fumbled around it to more of just talking the same way he always has done and that his solutions, ideas have not changed. My son too did not like the fact that he brought up Pres.Clinton and what he did and totally acted like we never had 9-11 or the affects of that Clinton closed down the military bases to fix deficit and Bush had to get the military back up from 9-11 and then too got hit with Katrina and so on but still Bush did not spend as much as Obama has and he didn't like that Obama brought in another personal tactic using his grandmother and to throw Donald Trump in was ridiculous. I could go on but I think you got it-Lastly he said he acted like it was just him and only him Mr. President and doesn't care about getting along with government and or really what the people need or want but just what he thinks.
Romney he said should of gone after Obama more on proof of what he claimed he was going to do in the last 4 years and still has not and why should we give him 4 more to no avail-he said Romney was too soft on that and should of really hit him hard on that too on health care he was happy to see that Romney did not use his wife to prove a point but made it about everyone which meant he cares about everyone's health care.
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Thu, 10/04/2012 - 1:35am — Angel aka KRA

I watched Gary watching the debate. It was very informative. It made me very sad to see them arguing over shit that we have no money to pay for. But thats ok, they will just print up somemore until our dollar wont buy anything, or we can just borrow more from China until we dont get to vote for a president.. We will have a chairman.. ugh So Fuckin sad,

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Wed, 10/03/2012 - 10:36pm — KRSVal

Angel, I hope you changed your mind, because some good stuff went down...
And OTB, thank you to your son for his valuable insights.

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Wed, 10/03/2012 - 7:41am — Outside The Box

Tonight watching the Presidential debate with my son. I personally already know who I'm voting for and if my son could who he would vote for too! I too think the law should be past in all states to have ID to be able to vote-my son has had one since he was very little and they are not hard or expensive to get (take it out of welfare for those who say they can't afford it-since this system is so grossly misused anyways by some people)-I mean we should be able to know if people are of age and are an American citizen and are not voting more than once, but trying to explain it all to to my son is difficult, just as the college electoral vote-but my son is learning. I know voting is not until November but I thought I would leave you with a link to a clip from my all time favorite president with some questions and to think about while hopefully you are watching the debates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loBe0WXtts8

This is just my opinion only and not to start drama but maybe have some open discussion from others as well -just to read and discuss points of view and to be civil to one another during the process.

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Fri, 09/28/2012 - 9:38am — Angel aka KRA

It is well written. Good Job.. Unfortunately both the chickenshits wont allow Gary Johnson to debate with them because he will make them look like fools. I wont be watching. Neither of those candidates will do a damn thing to save us from a dying Dollar.. ugh

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Fri, 09/28/2012 - 7:51am — Outside The Box

Thanks Beckxy-I'll tell my kid you enjoyed it!

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Fri, 09/28/2012 - 12:59am — Beckxy

Please tell your son that this was well-written :)