Keep It Flying!!! America needs to re-educate people that the Southern Cross, Confederate Battle Flag represents FREEDOM. Not a damn thing to do with slavery. Read Lincoln's letters that states" that if he could keep the UNION together without freeing ONE slave he would". It was all about TAXES. The south was very rich. The UNION wanted an increase in Tariffs at the Ports and it was being rejected by the SOUTH!
STAND your ground.I want people to stop cowering to these groups and the PC. Start calling them on their ignorance of our history.
Do your own research of actual documents. NOT Dept of Educations liberal biased history books.
WAKE UP AMERICA before you wake up on the wrong side of the bed and don't know where you are.
@Jeanie Sorry Bout your Fam! Again I know your statement is wrong when you say everyone that flys the flag is racist. That is a lie.
I will concede that if the flag hurts peoples feelings Right or wrong.... I wont continue to use it.
But again It has nuthing to do with Slavery or Black people , To me
I think your experiences have overshadowed your intellect. Whenever anyone thinks they know how all people of the south or all people of a certain color or all people that eat sushi, think... That is prejudice!
@KIDROCK ANGEL...Jeannie do you truly believe that todays southerners love the rebel flag because of there RACE HATING ATTITUDES. YES I DO...I LIVE IN THE HEART OF ALABAMA BORN AND RAISED HERE SWEETIE AND EVERYONE THAT GIVES A DAMN ABOUT THAT FLAG IS RACIST... I WAS RAISED BY KKK MEMBER MY STEP FATHER AND THAT FLAG REPRESENTS HATE AND HELL TO ME BECAUSE I KNOW THE REAL REASON FOR THE ONES WHO LOVE THE DAMN THING SO MUCH FOR LOVING IT. IT REPRESENTS HATE, VIOLENCE, AND A WHITEMANS TRADEMARK FROM THE WAR THAT WAS LOST AND FREED THOSE SLAVES. THOSE WHO FLY IT DONT FLY IT BECAUSE OF BULLSHIT HERITAGE, OR SOME LINCOLN SHIT...MOST ARENT EVEN SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND THAT PART ALL THEY KNOW IS THEY WERE SOUTHERN BORN AND RAISED AND IF THE SOUTH WOULD OF WON THEY WOULD OF HAD IT MADE IT...BLACKS ARE OFFENDED BY THE DAMN FLAG SO DAMN STOP FREAKING FLYING IT...
Please read...this is true!!
The Confederate battle flag has also been appropriated by the Ku Klux Klan and other racist hate groups. Being from the central part of Alabama and being raised by a idiot of the KKK I am very aware of what this flag represents to the racist idiots. Most will argue that it isnt about slavery or hate and its about our heritage and all that bullshit. But I know what it represents this day and time. And those who fight to fly the shit stirring flag know the real reason they fight to fly their hate flag. Well if its about heritage and those who died in that damn war then why the hell do you rednecks fight to keep a flag flying that you claim is your history..Why would you want to fly a flag that represents #1 the south loosing a war and #2 death of your greatgreatgreat whoever that fought and died in the war? WHY? oh wait it falls back to the haters right? If the south would of one won we would of had it made right? Damn Yankees right!!
KIDROCK GET THAT FLAG DOWN SWEETIE!! YOU ARE NO HATER OR RACIST!! YOU DONT REALLY HAVE A CLUE..SERIOUSLY...YOU DONT HAVE TO FLY THAT FLAG TO SELL YOUR MUSIC...
I WISH I HAD MORE TIME TO DEBATE, I JUST STARTED ON SITE TO GIVE KID ENCOURAGEMENT.
I HAD BACK SURGERY SO I CAN NOT SIT FOR 3 MINS TO TYPE. WE CAN PICK THIS UP IN A FEW WEEKS WHEN I CAN SIT LONGER.
GOD BLESS YOU WHETHER YOU WANT HIM TO OR NOT
Dude I want to PEACE out , it is others that don't . LOOK my point is that history is not portraying the truth. IT was ugly, I don't want slavery BUT WE have to recognize that ABE is the only PREZ that actually called martial Law and to fire on it's citizens in this country.AND WHY! BECUASE THE GOVERNMENT WANTED MORE MONEY!
Gypsy thank you SON of The SOUTH view points. People need to know the truth NO matter how UGLY it may be. WE had sons and daughters that died on each side. WE SOUTHERNERS just want the truth to finally come out on the CIVIL WAR that WAS NOT CIVIL.
BOTTOM line it was not OVER SLAVERY. IT became that, when it was issues over extending slavery states to the WEST, not the south, YES then the south got involved. BUT it was not started over slavery. THAT IS WHAT I WANT CLEAR>NO matter who killed whom.(proper grammer there).
SO PLEASE STOP with the SLAVE ISSUE. NOT even close.
@ Zeke
And may we never forget that we are indeed ONE NATION UNDER GOD
Your Sister In Christ, KRC VAL
http://www.lincolnswords.com/ Here you go gyspy and others. Read up. I can link too. Read a lot of them and truly look at all the man said. And if you bothered to read all that your friend didn't post there you would know the rest of it. Lincoln also changed his views about colonization of blacks...Your friend didn't bother to post the rest of it as it would negate their point here is that link: http://hosted2.ap.org/COGRA/APUSnews/Article_2011-03-04-Lincoln%20Coloni...
Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right.
Abraham Lincoln
Allegiance: devotion or loyalty to a person, group or cause.
Sorry I spelled it incorrectly!
So we can ALL AGREE on our allegiance to KR!
G'night ladies and germs :)
You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here...lol
@ KRVAL ur right darlin ..let it be.. so i said my piece n ill leave it alone..cuz stress will only do bad for him! dont vwant that..we want him around for years to come!...n the song should of said live till sixty at least..damn!!
@ Alisha..well if people r comin here let em more publicity for KR..bad press is better than none..like at lil miss whos that girl..lol madonna...her whole career fed of negative press..so let them at least he ll know his real fans from the fake. The ones who support are real!!
Gypsy, you have every right to be proud of who you are.
I'm breaking my own rule by adding to the post!
We do need to be tough, North and South, together.
We are One Today; we cannot be divided..
I pledge alleigance to the flag
Of the United States of America
And to the Republic
For which it stands
One Nation, Under God INDIVISIBLE
with LIBERTY and JUSTICE for all.
Understood, Ajay. Not speaking to you directly.
May we all see The Kid on another Stop!
:)
I think everyone should get a grip. Its time the people in this country stopped wearing their feelings on their shoulders and stop crying over every little damn thing. Its a flag that has a very big part of our american history. It IS NOT something to be shoved away behind closed doors and forgotten about. As much as certain factions in this country are trying to bury it, it will always fly proud and fly high.Are we suppose to just forget our heritage and our past because these certain factions cry over the display of the Confederate Battle Flag? We are branded racist and bigots because we embrace our hertiage and celebrate our past with honor and pride. I say that if these factions think that way towards us then its them that are showing their racist attitudes and bigotry. The South may have lost the war way back when but we are still proud of our heritage and always will be. People in this country have gotten so soft and thin skinned they cry if some one looks at them the wrong way. Grow up people and stop acting like grade school kids on the play ground. Thank you Granny GG for your educational view points and historical value to this discussion. Toughen up people.
Fine by me. I just got a problem when ppl point the finger at the man who made the right move that should have been made by George Washington. Lincoln was a great man. He fought for the underdog. He gave black ppl what they should have had all along and what was taken from them.
Sorry Kid didn't mean to piss on the tour trail. Hope it keeps being great. Maybe i will get to see it at another stop! LOL!!!
>>>says to GRANNY GG- Peace out.
Please can we let this just fade into the distance, and agree to disagree.
The man is on tour and doesn't need the stress.
Let's just love his Music (stolen from Jade-lol)
Most of what you have put up there is what a journalist said. I would like to actually see the document in which Lincoln said derogatory things. I told you to google Lincoln and his press and letters. Yet i see nothing of that. You ever think he encouraged them to leave because he knew in the US they would not be treated right? And take a look at who and where this article was published Virginia. You ever think for a red hot minute tensions were not being eased by getting african american's somewhere where they would be safe and free? I encourage anyone on here to google Lincoln and his press and letters and see what the man wrote. Not what some press hound wants to say he wrote. You might also look at who was in the White House with him as well as his Secretary of State. They were ppl all against slavery...
Makes me wonder what this country would be like if not for Lincoln. Makes me wonder how ppl of african american heritage would be treated today. What their place in society would be and so on and so forth....
Makes me think of Cool Hand Luke too. "What we've got here is failure to communicate, some men you just can't reach..."
By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Matthew Barakat, Associated Press Fri Mar 4, 4:04 pm ET
McLEAN, Va. Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address has inspired Americans for generations, but consider his jarring remarks in 1862 to a White House audience of free blacks, urging them to leave the U.S. and settle in Central America.
"For the sake of your race, you should sacrifice something of your present comfort for the purpose of being as grand in that respect as the white people," Lincoln said, promoting his idea of colonization: resettling blacks in foreign countries on the belief that whites and blacks could not coexist in the same nation.
Lincoln went on to say that free blacks who envisioned a permanent life in the United States were being "selfish" and he promoted Central America as an ideal location "especially because of the similarity of climate with your native land thus being suited to your physical condition."
As the nation celebrates the 150th anniversary of Lincoln's first inauguration Friday, a new book by a researcher at George Mason University in Fairfax makes the case that Lincoln was even more committed to colonizing blacks than previously known. The book, "Colonization After Emancipation," is based in part on newly uncovered documents that authors Philip Magness and Sebastian Page found at the British National Archives outside London and in the U.S. National Archives.
In an interview, Magness said he thinks the documents he uncovered reveal Lincoln's complexity.
"It makes his life more interesting, his racial legacy more controversial," said Magness, who is also an adjuct professor at American University.
It is sad that the situation with the boycott has brought this site to this. People coming on here spreading hate for other people because of their race. That is the last thing that Kid would ever want.
So i guess your views are black ppl should be slaves huh Granny GG? Not much else can be surmised from your words and statement. Southerners weren't going to change until they were made to. Why would they give up the free labor slaves provided unless forced? That was the root of the Civil War. NOT MONEY! Money was the reason they wanted to keep the slaves. So money was the reasoning but slavery was the real reason. Without slaves those rich southerner folks would be nothing more then farmers who had to pay laborers to do their work. There was no way they could afford to actually pay people to do that work. So money was a major cause i will give you that. I should know this as well my grandfather was a farmer til the day he died. Thank god for farm equipment.
Haven't you seen poor white ppl from the south? Hell just read up on Johnny Cash. He was raised on a farm and had to pick cotton as child and growing up. He came from nothing and i mean nothing.
if i can recall i remember him as a youngster pissed when the flag was banned from a south toledo high school "Home of the Rebels". Of course at the time i was to young to get it or care! But nyways Hes always been about freedom of speech and what not..he didnt just wake up one day last week and decide im gonna fly that son of a bitchin flag and piss em all off today cuz im Kid Rock and have nothin better to do! Sorry Jeannie your comment sucks to say the least!
ajay you are right JWB was not crazy. He was 4 yrs to late. Burn in hell abe.
Jeannie do you truly believe that todays southerners love the rebel flag because of there RACE HATING ATTITUDES. Good lord. I* give up. Everyday Im more and more disgusted with my fellow man
And The American flag stands for freedom to me but Ill bet there are some Al queda peeps who feel differently
@Jeannie says....He is promoting his new country image and that flag is used to get all the country music rednecks to his show....
That's so NOT a new schtick for Kid to drop the rebel flag. Ever see him play Never Met a MotherFucker Quite Like Me in concert a few years ago? He dropped that flag then. Not a new thing. Not a gimmick to get the "rednecks" to the country music shows. Oh yeah, and have you seen a show recently? Not exactly a full on country show. I read a quote this week that has Kid Rock saying that...for him...that flag stands for southern rock. If that's his interpretation, then cool for him for standing behind it. He's not a hater. He's not a racist. He a musician and a damn fine individual all around. Too many people making way too much of his affiliation with the stars and bars.
i think the flag also represents for him bein an underdog..and still standin strong..win or lose..not to mention it is american as heil..from deep rooted history..somethin he is also patienent about!
Kid Rock really doesnt understand what that flag is used for, really he dont....He is promoting his new country image and that flag is used to get all the country music rednecks to his show....He knows they love that flag but he just dont understand why most love it. Regardless of why the flag was the battle flag we in the south know what the flag is a symbol of and why the racist white people use a war battle flag to promote their race hating attitudes I have no clue.....the south lost that damn war so why its so important to those who love it has me confused. So the only thing i can figure is its a hate flag all the way around....So Kid Rock in my opinion needs to go back to his roots and take that damn flag down...
Regardless of what the flag means to you or I, we all have to agree on one thing. Kid has never meant to fly the flag in a way that would be insulting to anyone. He has always shown nothing but love and respect for all people. I hate to see some jackass like Mongo ruin a day for which Kid is to be recognized for all that he has done for his hometown and the people that live there. No matter who you are, how much you do, or how much you give, there will always be someone, somewhere, that is pissed off and runs his or her mouth. If we as fans can do nothing else lets rally behind Kid on May 1st. If you are in the area, show up at Cobo and shut this asshole Mongo up once and for all. I have an idea for a sign, "Hey Mongo, I got one for ya!!!"
Alisha
Thank you Ajay from bringing some actual history into the conversation, too! Its always good to see all the facts~
with all respect, VideoAce, that's just not true. not for all northerners (although it may be where you are from, I've never been to MI). I'd suggest that the next time you come here to The City ask around to get a different perspective, except that it would be dangerous for you to do that. Hopefully you know me well enough to just trust me when I say that in some Northern spots it is for sure a big deal.
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