I got one fer ya-- I woke up from a dream a Devil without a cause had a dream of a black chick ,white guy in the background i heard the Party Ode.Today im feeling like a Gangster from the Oldschool.
I am soooo disappointed. What the HELL was he thinking. He's in NY state with his dad (my ex-huz). Ex huz told me yesterday that Jay refused a urine sample. said it was against his rights. Hes on Probation---he has no rights. He got fired from his job last week too for insubordination. Actually he told the forman to go fuck off. which got him fired. Found out earlier, he DIDNT finish his last two credits to get his HS diploma on top of all that. Ex was hoping he wouldnt have to tell me that and in the meantime Jay would just do it. Jay is arguing that his GED is good enough. The Army recruiter is going to revoke his enlistment as well. Though he ACED the ASVAB....no diploma no enlistment. Because of his record. Jay just figured it wasnt important and the Army would just overlook it. Its the warped sense of entitlement he has.
I should have known something was going on. Last week a Gunnery Sgt Recruiter called me from this area, not NY state. He said Jay had been talking to him. GUNNERY SGT?? THATS MARINES! I asked if he was aware that Jay needs two credits to grad and he was on probation for possession of mandated property with no serial number. I let him know I was an Army wife and certainly we would be proud as all go if Jay made it into the Marines. He then felt more comfortable talking to me. It was a very nice talk where I was honest withhim that yes Jay knows and seeks out "structured enviroments" which we both agreed that was great and haha, what more structure can you get than with the Marines. He told me Jay faxed over 3 very good reccommendations. From fire/amb cheif in NY and one from Fire/amb Cheif here in NH and one from his former intructor. That he wants to go into the Medic program. I told Gunny that Jay has a real problem with authority. he laughed "ma'am, we still take problems like that on occassion. The Marines will fix that Ma'am"
I fear that now Jay has blown any opp for Military. Maybe thats what he really wanted to do, and I just dont know. I never expected him to join any branch in the first place but was delighted when I was told he enlisted in the Army. I was really getting my hopes up once again. So now, his probation is going back to NH/VT. For which is very likely he'll be re-arrested. I'm afraid to ask Dean to take him back in. Its not fair to him at all. Either way he is going to have to deal with him. If he doesnt come here then....well.... He'll be at my husbands prison in SPFLD VT. Unfortunately in GEN POP.
Jay is a social idiot about some things. Oh yes, he is charming and polite. He's a chatter but in a nice way. Adults are often impressed with his knowlege on many subjects, but he doesnt "flaunt" his intellegence, and thats what makes adults say, gee what a great kid. When faced with any kind of threat to him hes an IDIOT. He's stupid enough to say to these hardend criminals "yeah just try it... my dad works here ...." Oh what better notch on an inmates belt than assault on a CO's kid!!"
I dont know what the military accepts anymore and am having trouble getting that info straight from anyone or online. I have heard they do take kids much like Jay, but they dont advertise it and dont want to say it. I dont know if I am willing to stick my neck out for Jay anymore, but I cant bear the other option. I dont see that prison is going to help this kid. I think it will
only make him more angry, more depressed, and certainly give him carte blanche to make bad choices.
Any thoughts on this? trying so hard not to break down and cry.....or strangle him! No wait...strangle him then break down and cry.
I am soooo disappointed. What the HELL was he thinking. He's in NY state with his dad (my ex-huz). Ex huz told me yesterday that Jay refused a urine sample. said it was against his rights. Hes on Probation---he has no rights. He got fired from his job last week too for insubordination. Actually he told the forman to go fuck off. which got him fired. Found out earlier, he DIDNT finish his last two credits to get his HS diploma on top of all that. Ex was hoping he wouldnt have to tell me that and in the meantime Jay would just do it. Jay is arguing that his GED is good enough. The Army recruiter is going to revoke his enlistment as well. Though he ACED the ASVAB....no diploma no enlistment. Because of his record. Jay just figured it wasnt important and the Army would just overlook it. Its the warped sense of entitlement he has.
I should have known something was going on. Last week a Gunnery Sgt Recruiter called me from this area, not NY state. He said Jay had been talking to him. GUNNERY SGT?? THATS MARINES! I asked if he was aware that Jay needs two credits to grad and he was on probation for possession of mandated property with no serial number. I let him know I was an Army wife and certainly we would be proud as all go if Jay made it into the Marines. He then felt more comfortable talking to me. It was a very nice talk where I was honest withhim that yes Jay knows and seeks out "structured enviroments" which we both agreed that was great and haha, what more structure can you get than with the Marines. He told me Jay faxed over 3 very good reccommendations. From fire/amb cheif in NY and one from Fire/amb Cheif here in NH and one from his former intructor. That he wants to go into the Medic program. I told Gunny that Jay has a real problem with authority. he laughed "ma'am, we still take problems like that on occassion. The Marines will fix that Ma'am"
I fear that now Jay has blown any opp for Military. Maybe thats what he really wanted to do, and I just dont know. I never expected him to join any branch in the first place but was delighted when I was told he enlisted in the Army. I was really getting my hopes up once again. So now, his probation is going back to NH/VT. For which is very likely he'll be re-arrested. I'm afraid to ask Dean to take him back in. Its not fair to him at all. Either way he is going to have to deal with him. If he doesnt come here then....well.... He'll be at my husbands prison in SPFLD VT. Unfortunately in GEN POP.
Jay is a social idiot about some things. Oh yes, he is charming and polite. He's a chatter but in a nice way. Adults are often impressed with his knowlege on many subjects, but he doesnt "flaunt" his intellegence, and thats what makes adults say, gee what a great kid. When faced with any kind of threat to him hes an IDIOT. He's stupid enough to say to these hardend criminals "yeah just try it... my dad works here ...." Oh what better notch on an inmates belt than assault on a CO's kid!!"
I dont know what the military accepts anymore and am having trouble getting that info straight from anyone or online. I have heard they do take kids much like Jay, but they dont advertise it and dont want to say it. I dont know if I am willing to stick my neck out for Jay anymore, but I cant bear the other option. I dont see that prison is going to help this kid. I think it will
only make him more angry, more depressed, and certainly give him carte blanche to make bad choices.
Any thoughts on this? trying so hard not to break down and cry.....or strangle him! No wait...strangle him then break down and cry.
Dean said "I'm not ready to give up on this kid. Sending him to his dad's was a bad idea on my part. I was just so angry. He's taken positive steps to get into the military, damnit we're gonna get him there if we can... he's got sooo much potential."
okay....log off for the afternoon and look what I miss! Dakota...when your dad gets back he can reply, but thanks.
Miss Joie.... Havent gone that far to the bottom....yet. His dad and I think its POT. and we roll our eyes. Jay doesnt have a hx of drug/drink as of yet. He hates pills and needle-phobic. doesnt like beer or the hard stuff. maybe huffing? and I am well rehersed in the "serenity prayer"
Francie & Nancy.... Lets just hope we have a similar outcome in time, eh?
Sadie.... Jay is very aware of his liklihood to go to war. Thats what he wanted to do(medic) was save wounded soldiers and civilians. He was first responder to a toddler falen in river last summer. "fuck command" he said, and did CPR till the baby pueked, coughed and began to cry. He was on cloud nine for months after that. Didnt care that he was covered in flghm.
DET Rock-girl.... great clipping. I just gotta try one more time.
Shady....Love ya girl! You know this kid's been trouble since KRAA days. Recruiter have told me and Jay. GED okay. GED and tainted record NOT okay. However there is a process called a "misconduct waiver" however if we can avoid that we will.
So...last night I called a friend of mine who is EIP director for the HS here. She got into Jays file. He has 21 credits in whole. Needs 20 to grad. not a typo. However he needs ONE more English and ONE more Social studies. He can be done in January. I'm calling the Probation office today to intercept the "wait til he's 18" thing. Talked with Dean last night. Told him it looks like hes going to prison cuz we have no other relatives to take on something like this. He agreed to try this ONCE AGAIN. "he's not going to prison...over my dead body...but when he gets here, he's gonna wonder if prison or the military would be nicer.... and he's getting his ass BACK in counseling!"
hello michaelanne I am Joseph son dakota I realy do not know how to answer that or what opinion I could give you my dad is out of the country at the moment yet i will tell you what i think he would say One get your education at any cost, think twice before you commite to the armed forces it is not for all people,it will challenge your heart and mind for some more than they wished for, some how find a way to step up to the plate and take the full responiblity of your actions and seek what ever alternatives you can to resolve them with the least amount of pain to yor self and others,a ged is good enough for the army may be not other branches of the service,i understand how you must feel as i am just 17yrs old and i am haveing alot of challenges to think over as well for my life and it is not easy school sucks ,people are so messed up and my friends seem to be going in a million directions,yet I feel he would work with me to find away past this time and help me move forward,pissed of course but still with me and would try to understand what and how i am feeling and give me suggestions and not orders I hope this helped
Peace and love
dakota J barber
Hey Michaelanne. I have had lots of experience with a rebellious teen boy. My son is now 29 and has turned his life around. It was not easy. Since the age of 13 it was drinking, drugs, guns, gangs, abuse and in general, a pain. He became a dad just after his 16th birthday. He was hooked on meth by about 21 give or take for about 5 yrs. I lost my house, savings, everything, and had to file bankruptcy. We were in and out of the courts, jails and the police and judges knew me by my first name. Although we did get his minor records sealed so he could go into the military and received is GED, he decided partying was a better choice (yea, right). I spent more nights than I can remember driving in the MN winter nights looking for him. Hitting the dealers houses and known hangouts. Someone gave me a hard time, I stood toe to toe trying not to show any fear. If I found him, I would drag him home. Jail didn't work, rehab didn't work, threats didn't work, AA and NA didn't work. Nothing worked until he was ready to make the change. He hit absolute rock bottom more than once. He almost died on more than one occasion from overdoses or car accidents. I incorp. tough love. Although my love for my son was unconditional, I didn't like him very well at that time. I finally realized that I could not change him so I backed off, let him know I was always here for him, and left the door open. God that was the hardest thing I ever experienced as a single mother. When he was ready, I would be there. He made many more mistakes but instead of jumping in and trying to fix everything, he began to learn that he had to take responsibility for his actions. Mom was not going to save him any more. It was so tough. Most nights I didn't sleep. This went on for many years. Then a young recovering meth addict gave me some advice. Leave him alone. Don't do anything. Don't save him. Don't give him money. Leave the door open for dialoge and never point fingers. Eventually, he di
I'm just thankful that my son hit bottom when he did and is now working two jobs and will be a college graduate next year. When he was 18 he totaled a car. At another point he got probation for 6 months, tether and all. Now he is doing beautifully and is the most loving son ever. They do grow up and mature. Good luck to all you mothers out there. we will make it!!!!!
I had a boyfriend once, always got into trouble, well it was jail or the army, and the army whipped him into shape. But it also depends on the person.
I know a guy who went into army instead of jail..I think his lawyer and judge made the case with the army..this boy had more troubles then you could think...but the army fixed him fast...went in a punk...came back from boot camp..a nice young man...still rockin but knew when to stop...
You're darned if you do and darned if you don't. My son was contiunally making the wrong life choices. I'd help him to a point then let the consequences set in if he didn't follow thru (of course I monitored to make sure he was keeping his head on somewhat straight) This went on for the past 15 years. He hit rock bottom two or three times. He finally made it this past year. He finally caught on and was doing great but he caught pneumonia and didn't make it thru. I guess what I'm trying to say is, do what feels right in your heart. Help him want to help himself. I know it's difficult but keep trying, I wish I had gotten thru to my son earlier. I really miss him.
Hey lady,
Just wanted to share something out of my Detroit Free Press (newpaper) that made me think of you when I read it this morning. The article was about the mess the City of Detroit is in thanks to our "mayor" Kwame Kilpatrick...but a quote in the article sounded like your current situation...
Excerpt from Sunday Free Press 8/17/08 "Mayor, Worthy reach an impasse" by Rochelle Riley
"As calls for his resignation multiply, and the mayor's supporters flee, the case of the mayor and the prosecutor reminds me of an Upper Peninsula minister's story, told to a friend:
'Birds would never learn to fly if Mama did not boot them out of the nest, usually from a tree. And sometimes they cling to the branch so tenaciously that Mama has to peck at their little claws until they release and flap their wings.'
The lesson? When the pain of hanging on becomes greater than the fear of letting go, you will let go."
Wishing you the best-
Well I'm not as insightful as some. But just wanted to say hang in there girl. My oldest is only 14. lol I know I'm just starting to deal with issues. Teenager's AGH!!!! Anyways,We all love our children good or bad. So keep your chin up girl. It will all work out in the end. All things work themselves out with faith. Best wishes to you & yours. Good Luck
If it gets that bad he can take his GED and still get into the Marines, he will learn there what he needs and they will pay for colege. My nephew is getting 80,000 to go to college, they pay for it all. He started out getting into trouble in school DUI and so on. He doesn't have a diploma but the Marines promised him a GED, he's currently doing his second tour in Iraq and he still doesn't have it. I don't think they really care at this point. He will eventually need to get it , of course, when the time comes for college.
It scares the shit out of me that mine is going in the same direction.... He has wanted to be a Marine since he was 8. He is now 16, and is already short credits to graduate. He has had the worst attitude lately and says that he does not care about anything. He hates school and I suspect that as soon as he is old enough to move out he will probably drop out. Getting him to just go to school is a huge chore. He is taking all his dreams that he has had for years and pissing it away. He says that he still wants to be a Marine more than anything, but he won't do what he needs to to make it happen. Even if he straightens up now, I have to shell out $250 per class for summer school next year to make sure he graduates on time. Either that, or its a another year. I can't see him doing it.
You wanna just say Fuck it.... let em handle the shit themselves and learn from it, but it is so hard for a mom to do that knowing it will probably effect the rest of his life.
I feel for ya girl.
yep.... thats what I'm afraid of.
With most kids with your son's 'personality' will have to 'hit rock bottom' sort of like an addict does to snap him out of it. Some trouble will eventually come his way that will scare the shit out of him enough to realize he better shape up and take control of his life. The sad thing is sometimes takes a prison sentence.
Talked w/ exhuz this morning. He gave me the name of the one in VT who would be taking on his case FT. I am hoping tomm I can talk to her about Jays situation. Ex suspects they are waiting the couple of weeks out til he turns 18 and grab him. In a way I am like shrugging and saying "oh well" and the other, I want to intercept with a Marine recruiter and/or Army recruiter like"you get on the DOC bus or you get on the military bus...which one?" No more favors...no sign on bonus.
Hi Michaelanne, like Gina said, Hang in there. I grew up in the 80's too and yes, when push came to shove, you did what you had to do. Kids are raised different now days. For whatever reason they feel a sense of entitlement that we never did?? Your son may shove alittle more?? They just don't realize the shit they do can have severe consequences that can effect their future. I'm sure you've had it with sticking your neck out, but not helping your kid is hard too. I would take Gina's advise. Keep calling the recruiters. Jay made the choice to sign on for a GED, push him to follow through with it. He can get into the military with a GED. I agree, jail is not a solution for your son. Push him to get that GED and get his ass in the service. I have a 16yr old son who thinks school is a joke. My ex-hus was a Marine for 6yrs. I would have no problem with my son going that route. I think most young men would benefit from the things the Service has to offer. Structure,discipline, respect..I know my son would benefit from learning that. It's not that my ex and I don't practice or try to instill those things in our kids, we do. But learning that shit outside of the home, at an age when they think they know it all, has a different impact. Just hang in there. Kids are a trip, we love em so much but they can be a real pain in the ass. If they would only realize, we just want the best for the little shits?? Stay strong.. And no, we were'nt spoiled like the kids are today. Times are different now. All we can do is try to do the best we can to do the right thing? Unfortunately, there's no easy answer...Take Care.
Yowie.
Sounds like your young man learns things the hard way...some of us are like that...and many of us are better people for it (I am one of those) . My kids are still little though, so I don't know what I would truly be able to offer in terms of advice...but SUPPOSEDLY at a certain age us mommas are s'posed to let them go out and figure out the world for themselves- from the minute they're born they are growing up and away from us, and hopefully there comes a time where you say "I've taught you all I can- now fly on your own"... at least that's how I hear it's sposed to go......
This generation as a whole is very spoiled in my opinion- they tend to take things for granted and we think we are doing the right thing by giving them all the things we worked and our parents worked so hard for. I think what we have ultimately done is undermine the determination of young people to bust their ass to get what they need and want in life.
well talking with HUz and he goes"no...looking in the wrong place" and voia-la:
Military Waivers for Ex-Convicts Increase
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The Army admitted about one-fourth more recruits last year with a record of legal problems ranging from felony convictions and serious misdemeanors to drug crimes and traffic offenses, as pressure to increase the size of U.S. ground forces led the military to grant more waivers for criminal conduct, according to new data released yesterday.
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Such "conduct waivers" for Army recruits rose from 8,129 in fiscal 2006 to 10,258 in fiscal 2007. For Marine Corps recruits, they increased from 16,969 to 17,413.
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Man girl I hear ya. I always was very respectful to my parents, and any other adult. I think kids are a lot more brave these days, they really don't understand how tough this world is today, and with no education, you are not going anywhere! Don't you just want to go crazy sometimes, I do!
I was spoiled for a long time. But I didnt pull the kind of crap my kid has pulled. I did have respect for my parents and authority and would do whatever I had to earn back what I lost or cost and I never saw the inside of a jail. I grew up in the 80's. when push came to shove I came thru. How many times is this kid going to shove?
Hey girl, you hang in there! Kids these days are a trip. They think they have the whole world figured out and that they have all the answers. As far as I know, a GED is good enough to get in the Army, and they do take on kids like your son. It sounds like he could be worse, there are some sickos in this world. Hold you ground and keep calling those damn recruiters, they will give you the run around, but you will find one who will listen eventually. And my daughter, well she wasted my money for 3 years on college, got the brat a new f~n car to get there, plus books and what not, only to find out that she just dropped all last semester to go to Lake Havasu with her boyfriend. Now they plan on getting married and school is out the window and she thiks we are paying for a wedding! Hell NO! Damn kids. Were we spoiled rotten like they are today?