
KidRockAngel, thanks for sharing the post before! We ALL are interested no matter what "some" say! I know you shared it because you saw it and "knew" we'd all like it! You are a GIVER!
When I watched that video, I thought there is no way this is Kid Rock's house and I was right, it's not!
Here is the scoop;
New Lake Fenton mansion -- Location: Bayshore Drive in Fenton Township
Owner: Greg Hoover, a Fenton Township businessman
Prospective buyer: R.J. Zaher of Fenton Township, who owns the company building the home, Davison Township-based Lions Gate Developments
Size: 9,500 square feet (not including its basement, which likely will be several thousand more square feet).
Value: Undisclosed, but a local Realtor estimates the value at least $3 million.
Here is the link;
http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/newsnow/2007/09/no_kid_rock_is_n...
What I was trying to say...is nothing last's like it use to, and partially to blame for that is making many of the products illegal that use to make them last. IE: The illegalizing of oil base paints & stains! No latex will ever outlast an oil based paint & stain...not possible considering all factors.
Good luck Action with manufacturing your own metal roof product, that's awesome! :)
I hope you will be able to promote and sell your product in the US. Our government is outlawing so many chemicals used in manufactured building materials...including many PVC products. I'm all for saving our environment, but many products being outlawed are an unnecessary extreme. IE: Diazanon pesticide. Environmentalists lobbying our government with their own research as evidence, as well as environmentalists employed within the FDA, joined forces and concluded the product washed into the soil and did not break down, therefore washing into rivers and streams due to rain run off. Well, a few yrs after they outlawed it, further independent research submitted to the FDA concluded this belief & previous research to be false, and the illegalizing of Diazanon was unnecessary. Unfortunately, manufacturers of Diazanon moved on to other replacement products, of which are not nearly as effective, but legal...it would be too costly now for the FDA to reverse their decision, and manufacturer's begin producing Diazanon again.
Many of our trees, shrubs, lawns in the US...are destroyed annually by insects and disease spread by insects...because no current products are as effective controlling insects/disease...such as Diazanon, that is now unnecessarily illegal to use in the manufacturing process. Ironically, trees in particular...help clean our air & environment, & they are now being destroyed by the very laws passed, which environmentalists claimed were necessary to help save our environment. :(
Could it be because of the extreme cold where you're at causing them to crack/curl? I'm sure you know as a roofer, that it takes the suns heat to seal the asphalt in place. With our high heat here reaching 100' and more in summer months...we don't have a problem with curling. A darker asphalt shingle will draw more heat than a lighter one too of course. Lighter colored shingles are more prone to curling.
Asphalt roofs around here do last many years longer than 7-10...about the only thing that destroys them is our frequent hail storms, or very high tornadic winds.
If your asphalt roofs are only lasting 7-10 yrs in California...there has to be reasons, because a quality asphalt roof installed properly will last for decades. Manufacturer warranties vary, but there are some as long as 75 yrs.
Possibly it has something to do with the roof not being installed properly? I'm assuming in California many roofing crews are from South of the border. Several around here are too, and the problem they tell me is that in Mexico apshalt shingles don't exist...terra cotta, clay tile roofs are common in Mexico, and what roofers there are accustom to installing. They don't have the knowledge to install apshalt roofs, and many are hired without being educated properly, turned loose on the job.
IE: I was on a job site about 11 yrs ago, of which the roofing sub-contractor brought in a Mexican roofing crew, turned them loose and left the jobsite. Most didn't speak English, and the supervisor on the job spoke little English. I knew they were in trouble when I saw that they were installing the drip edge upside down on a gable end, and to make matters worse...they were using gutter drip edge on a gable end, hahaha. For those who aren't familiar with homebuilding...gable ends don't have gutters, haha. Fortunately I caught them prior to their having installed but a few pieces of the drip edge.
Also, sun is one of the most damaging elements to any exterior building material, and of course, "it never rains in Southern California", hahaha. This could also be a factor with asphalt not holding up, but I would think not, since most are manufactured with UV resistors. Also, the salt air could be a factor. I'm not that familiar with the elements of Southern California related to building materials durability. I know that on the East Coast shake roofing is more durable than apshalt due to the salt air. This is why so many homes you see in regions such as Kennebunkport, Martha's Vineyard...have not only cedar shake siding, but roofing.
I hadn't read this far when I posted my previous replies, and I see now that you too are familiar with concrete shingles. :)
You are correct related to coated metal roofs of current day, lasting 50 yrs or more, depending upon quality of manufacturer, coatings, etc.. As well, although very costly...copper roof's are not only lifetime, but gorgeous! There is also a manufacturer of stainless steel roofing, though I'm not familiar with the cost, would imagine it's very costly by comparison to a metal coated roof.
The metal roof on my 100 yr old Victorian home I owned prior to this one...was indeed 100 yrs old, and in perfect condition...no rust at all. It was a galvanized raised seam roof, however...the products used over 100 yrs ago to preserve metal roofs by galvanizing are now illegal in the US to use...toxic they claim, but hell...everything is toxic these days in the US building trades, haha.
Some longer...the architectural asphalt shingles I used on my roof are warranteed for 50 yrs. There are others now available on the market warranteed for 75! Very expensive however.
(I deleted the first reply, thought of something I wanted to add, no time to edit. So, starting over, haha.)
Well, just pure speculation on my part based upon my own experience & career knowledge...
Asphalt roofs are often specified by architects/engineers on high end homes, in regions of the US that receive heavy frequent snowfalls...such as Michigan. When one considers the weight of a more asthetically pleasing concrete, slate, or terra cotta tile roof, in addition to the weight of several inches of snow...a roof would need to be engineered to hold all that weight at once, and this would also change the basic framing structure below the roof as well to support extra weight, possibly even the floor plan would change.
Changing the floor plan could lead to another problem...lot size and elevation relating to square footage. Well, this could lead to yet another problem...many communities have codes/conevants restricting a home's sqaure footage, elevation with relationship to asthetics, and so on. They also often have restrictions pertaining to materials used on the homes exterior. I know of communities in KC of which asphalt shingles are not allowed, rather require concrete, slate, or terra cotta, others where shake shingles aren't allowed (due to fire risk). They usually implement restrictions to prevent someone from building a 'sore thumb', or home out of scale with the others...they want their communities to flow, so to speak.
Okay, so for a heavy snow region such as Michigan, let's consider all the additional beefed up framing costs & other possible issues involved with a finish roofing material more asthetically pleasing to some over asphalt...well, it's been my experience in building/design, that even with those who can afford to build 3M dollar homes...for most common financial sense typically becomes a factor. So...speculating as I said, this could be the reason the lake home in Michigan has asphalt shingles installed. :)
I love discussions relating to home building, design, materials, codes...whatever, I love it!! It's in my heart & soul! YEEHAW! Thanks! :)
Many of the 'high end' homes being built across the US over the last decade or so, have been specifying & installing a shingle composed primarily of concrete, but has vermiculite and/or other components to make it lighter weight than a solid concrete shingle. The lightweight 'concrete' shingles come in a variety of colors, textures, and styles...such as one imitating 'shake', another resembles traditional 'slate'. Their life expectancy varies by manufacturer, anywhere from 50 yrs to lifetime.
The concrete shingles by comparison in cost, aren't that much more than a 40-50-75 yr architectural 3D asphalt shingle, however...though they are considered lightweight concrete, they are heavier than asphalt, & freight to transport the concrete shingles to a job site bumps the cost up to about double that of an architectural asphalt shingle. As well, the roof framing needs to be beefed up due to the additional weight, and that adds to construction costs. All considered, lightweight concrete shingles aren't feasible in cost for homes being built in the average price range, but are commonly installed on higher end homes.
Also, many homes being built in the US that are considered European in architectural style, the architects/designers often specify terra cotta tile roofs...very popular and common in SoCal and Florida.
There are still high end homes being built of which the architect specifies original 'slate', but the problem with slate these days is finding skilled roofers experienced with installing a slate roof. Installing a slate roof requires true craftsmen, and they're a dying breed, as are slate roofs...very expensive, and costly with labor...considering the few crafstmen in the US qualified to install slate.
All that said...Architectural Dimensional Asphalt Shingles are also attractive on high end homes, and often specified by the architects for engineering safety reasons. See my reply to Actions comment, haha. :)
Yeah, but then you have the weirdo branch of my family living there....kidding, sort of. It sounds great, but I'm happy being a midwesterner, occassionally crappy weather and all. :)
same here blackwater river would be cool
wow that is so cool its right on the water, its kind of funny how everyone thinks for me its never been about who has what square foot bla bla you know what i mean i just like that its on the water
missed ya too lisa
ya was mia as well same here for a min
Thank Brenda & Angelique
Glad to be back! I missed ya guys! :)
wow nice house Lisa...glad to see u back...
I feel ya man, no offense taken. Goodluck with your product. I like what I see. They look great and seem like they are pretty durable.
The longevity comes from the pvc coating, its alright here in Canada and Northern States but we have another coating which is better for Uv in sunny places and its called Poly Urethane. The Shakes are 19 1/2 inches wide by 36 inches and are fastened by color matched screws on on a cross strapped grid, allowing it to self ventilate. It was a battle and big risk starting this system, but its starting to pay off and the markets warming up to Us. We just got the ball rolling with Mcdonald';s and have done 13 roofs for them and are looking at a tonne more. I would like to start franchising or creating dealers in the USA
If I came of strong its cause roofing is my world, its what I do and asphalt hits a sore spot with me. Nothing personal towards you Dylan.
I guess it's a matter of opinion, Of course there's going to be variations in the longevity of materials. It's impossible for them all to hold up exactly the same way. 7 years sounds like a far off extreme for a roof to fail but I guess it's possible. I never questioned your experience there's no need to get defensive.
As far as paint lasting upwards of 50 years, that's absurd. Im sure the technology has greatly increased its lasting ability but 50 years I sincerely doubt.
I did however check out your website. Your product looks great, how's the installation process? I notice your steel is PVC coated, Im sure that helps with the paints lifespan. What are the dimensions of your shingles( or do you even call them shingles?)?
Actually here is the new site we have been working on. It isn;t launched yet. Tell me what you think
www.superiorsteelroofing.com/new/
Thanks
Jack
I've been roofing since I was 10. 3rd Generation. Started my own ashalt roofing business when I was 19 Ive re - roofed so called 30 yr shingles that lasted like LIsa said 7 - 10. I dont know what steel you are talking about. The technology and paint coating that's you can get on steel now can far exceed 50 yrs. I got so fed up of getting calls from customers 5 to 7 years after I "properly" installed their ashalt roof that their shingles were cracking and curling. That I've created my own design and manufacture my own steel roofing system. Asphalt is for the road, actually its not even good there, concrete is. www.superiorsteelroofing.com
i guessed that one
yea good job lisa
Is asphalt the same as composition? Here comp. roofs only last about 7-10 years.
I've installed just about every type of roof in Michigan. Asphalt dimensionals are the way to go, No question about it. A properly installed asphalt shingle roof will last at least 30 good years and doesnt cost an arm and a leg in comparison to some of the other types available
I don't know what they use in that state. It would be according to the type of weather in that area!
Jade & Natureboy~ Amen to that!
OMG! I think you are right! I do think that is a "comp" roof! Do they do those kind of roofs there??
My listing has concrete tiles but I have it listed for 5.3 Million!
Anytime, KidRockAngel! Pleasure was all mine!
I was sick of hearing Roxy-attack all of us here! She needed to be put in her place! She bought it on herself by her comments! My God, if she is so high & mighty, she shouldn't have watched the video!!
I totally appreciated you posting that cause I want to "know" if Kid Rock is building a new house! I want to see pictures!
So if you run across anything else, PLEASE SHARE!
Your a GIVER!
Jennifer, The biggest problem we have here in Southern California (in OC) with our walkways is just keeping the "dust" off them! We like to hose them down, then they're pretty & shiny!
It's 78 degrees here virtually every day of the year- give or take 10 degrees up or 10 degrees down! No humidity, very litte rain but once in a while we do have some wind! I swear, we really have the most mild weather in all the country! That is why there is such a demand to live here! We play outside almost every day & night of the year!
What would you recommend instead? Some log cabin looking cedar shake? a metal roof thats bound to rust and look horrible? I wouldn't put anything other than asphalt dimensionals on my house, especially a $3M one.
I cant beleive someone would build a 3 million doller house and put a cheap 30 yr asphalt roof on it. Sorry I just had to say it
agreed! thanks Lisa!
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